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Love, Attraction and Relationships

By Frater Alek0s ⬢ ⬢ 13 min read

The usual objection to love workings is about consent, and it is correct. The stronger objection is structural, and almost nobody makes it. If the practitioner will is the operative ingredient, as the framework in this tradition holds, then a request aimed at a specific person is a request that uses your will to produce a change in someone who has not agreed to be worked on, and the ethical problem follows from the mechanism rather than from sentiment about it. That is the first thing to understand about this material. The second thing is harder and more useful to sit with: the aim in most love working is untestable. There is no state of the world in which you can point and say the working failed, because the outcome is another person's behaviour and behaviour has a hundred causes. A practice that cannot fail cannot teach you anything, and that is a practical problem as well as an intellectual one. What follows is an attempt to take both of these seriously enough to be useful, including the narrow cases in which something of this kind is defensible and the reasons those cases are narrow.

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The objection, stated as a structure

The classical objection to love magic is an asymmetry of consent, and it is usually stated as a moral objection: you are doing something to a person who did not agree. Stated as a structure, it becomes more interesting. The working is a request that a specific other person behave differently. That person has preferences, some declared and some not, and the working proceeds by substituting your will for theirs in the production of that behaviour. The substitution is the mechanism, not an incidental feature of it.

This is why the objection does not dissolve when the feeling is genuine. The sincerity of the practitioner is irrelevant to the structure, and an approach that centres sincerity has quietly changed the subject. The relevant question is not how much you care. It is whether the operation you have chosen overrides another person's decision-making, and if it does then the amount of caring is beside the point. Traditional sources in this material were not squeamish about it, and the reason they are not squeamish is that most of them assume the practitioner is already being extremely careful about the target.

Your will as the operative ingredient

The declared position of this tradition is that the practitioner's will is what does the work. That is not a metaphorical claim and it is not a claim about the strength of intention in a general sense. It is a claim about the mechanism: the will is the active component, and whatever else is involved, it is not going to act on its own. Applied to a practical decision, this means the target of the working is the one thing about it that is not negotiable, because the target is where the will gets pointed.

The consequence is structural and it is not softened by the fact that intentions in this domain are often benign in their stated form. A working for reconciliation and a working for attraction use the same ingredient and the same mechanism, and the difference between them is a matter of how much history already exists between the two people. That is a difference in degree of interference, not a difference in kind, and treating it as a difference in kind is how people talk themselves into the version they wanted to do anyway.

Why that makes the request fraught

Once the will is understood as the active component, the ethics of the situation follow fairly directly. You cannot aim the mechanism at a person without using them as a surface for it, and that person does not get a vote. The framing as a favour received, or a bond worked out between two people, obscures this by distributing the agency. In the actual structure there is one will, and it is yours, and the other person is the location where it is aimed.

There is a further problem that is harder to see and easier to live with. Pointing your will at a specific person makes them a subject in your practice, which means you are now in a relationship with your own aim regarding them. That relationship has its own momentum. Sources in this tradition are unusually clear that repeated workings on the same target escalate, and they are describing an observation about practitioners rather than a moral caution. Whatever the metaphysics, the behavioural pattern is common enough that the tradition thought it worth writing down as a warning.

The aim that cannot fail

The practical problem with love working is not that it is unethical. It is that it is unfalsifiable, and an unfalsifiable practice cannot be refined. Consider what would count as failure. The person did not change, but people do not change for a hundred reasons including their own undecidedness, the timing, and their complete indifference. The person changed, but people change for reasons unrelated to you. There is no observation available to you that would settle the question, which means there is no observation available to you that would tell you what to do differently next time.

Compare that to a working in another domain. An abundance working has a ledger, and the ledger can show you that nothing happened. A clarity working has a decision, and the decision either gets made or does not. A health working has adherence, and adherence is countable. In each of those cases the practice is coupled to something that can disappoint you, and that coupling is what makes refinement possible. Remove the possible disappointment and you have removed the only thing that could teach you anything, which is why practitioners in this area tend to get very confident very quickly and why their confidence is not a sign that the method works.

What a practice needs in order to teach you

A teachable practice needs three things. It needs a stated outcome in terms you could recognise if it arrived. It needs a record kept before the aim, not after, so the record cannot be shaped by the outcome. And it needs some part of the process that is yours to control and that you can get wrong. Remove any one of the three and the practice becomes a source of anecdote rather than a source of knowledge, which is the standard failure in this field and it happens quietly.

The will-based workings in this tradition are structured to fail all three tests at once, and the structure is not accidental. The aim is behavioural and thus never conclusively met. The record is written after the evening that produced it. And the will is the ingredient, so there is nothing to get wrong that would be visible from outside. What is left is a sequence that reliably produces a feeling, and the feeling is then read as a result. That reading is the whole of what many people have after a year of this, and it is worth noticing that they are usually confident about it rather than uncertain, because the practice never supplied a moment at which the confidence could be tested.

Cascading, and why the description survives the metaphysics

The literature in this tradition describes repeated working on the same target as cascading, and the term is worth taking seriously for reasons that have nothing to do with whether the working does anything to anyone else. The pattern described is escalation in the practitioner: a larger aim, a longer text, more frequent repetitions, a willingness to escalate further when the previous round produces nothing. People recognise this in themselves and generally recognise it after the fact rather than during.

The reason the description survives a rejection of the metaphysics is that it is a description of a pattern in the operator, and patterns in operators are exactly the sort of thing that does not require the surrounding claims to be true. You can reject every claim about what the working does to the other person and still find the escalation account accurate about what it does to you. That is a stronger position than defending the metaphysics, because it survives the disagreement. It also gives you something to watch for, which is the most useful thing a practice can offer when the thing it claims to deliver is not available for inspection.

Resuming a prior state is not the same request as creating one

Reconciliation work is generally held to be lower risk than attraction work, and the reason is worth stating precisely rather than treating as a matter of degree. If a relationship already existed, then the aim is the resumption of a prior state rather than the creation of a new disposition. The prior state has a history, which means the other person participated in it, which means the aim is not asking them to become something they have never indicated any relation to.

That distinction is real but narrower than it sounds. A relationship having existed does not mean the other person wants it resumed, and in many of the cases where reconciliation work is attempted the history includes harm that the other person has spent years processing. The framework distinction holds that the aim is less invasive. It does not hold that the aim is consensual, and the two are routinely conflated because conflating them makes the practice easier to justify. Where a relationship was abusive, the structure of the aim is identical to the structure of an unwanted advance. The prior history is not a defence.

The no, and what it is evidence of

A clear refusal is the most informative outcome available in this material and it is routinely misread. If your practice reaches the point where the other person says no, that is the first observation in the whole cycle that could have been predicted in advance and checked against something outside your own account. It is the only moment in this kind of working where an external fact enters.

What people typically do with it is treat it as a problem to be addressed. The whole of the cascading pattern is available in that response: the aim is restated, made more specific, the text is lengthened, the timing is moved to a better hour, and the practice continues. What the refusal is evidence of is much simpler and much less useful, which is that a person has told you their preference. That is information about the world, it was available without any working, and the working delayed its arrival rather than producing it. Recognising this is uncomfortable and it is the point at which most people either stop or escalate.

What the practice does to the practitioner

Set the target aside and the record of what a repeated working does to the operator is consistent enough to be worth taking seriously. Attention narrows. The person becomes more legible to you and less available as a person. Interpretations of their behaviour get read through the aim, so a courtesy becomes a sign and a delay becomes a refusal and a refusal becomes a stage. Time reorganises itself around the practice, and the amount of thought given to the target starts to exceed the amount of thought given to your own life.

None of that is mystical and none of it is a sign that something went wrong. It is what sustained directed attention on one person produces, and the reason it is worth naming is that it will happen whether or not the practice does anything to anyone else. This is the part of love magic that can be examined, and it is considerably more interesting than the part that cannot. A practitioner who watches their own attention for a month learns something real about themselves, which is a defensible use of a discipline, and it does not require pointing it at anybody.

The line, and where it was drawn

The line most people in this field draw is between workings aimed at a person and workings aimed at a situation, and the line is in roughly the right place for reasons that are not sentiment. A working aimed at a situation operates on conditions that are not anyone, which means it does not require overriding anyone's preferences, which means the consent problem does not arise in the form it takes when a person is the target. This is a narrower and less satisfying target than most people want, and it is available immediately.

There is a second line worth drawing, about the aim rather than the target. An aim stated in terms you can check is a different act from an aim stated in terms you can only interpret. There is a world in which a love working has an outcome, and you can tell whether it arrived. Most people do not build one, because the ambiguity is what makes it comfortable. Building the aim so that you could be shown to be wrong about it is the single change that would most improve this material, and it is available to anyone willing to sit with how much less pleasant it makes the evening.

What would make the practice acceptable

There are conditions under which something in this area becomes defensible, and they are worth listing because the field tends to argue about whether it is possible rather than about what it requires. The target must be a situation rather than a person. The aim must be stated in terms that could disappoint you, which means it must exclude the interpretation of another person's behaviour. The record must be opened before the charge. The practice must have a stopping condition written in advance. And the person must be someone you would be willing to tell what you did.

That last condition is the one that does the most work and the one people flinch from. A notebook you could hand to the other person is a hard standard, and it is a good one, because the discomfort it produces is information. If the practice is uncomfortable to disclose, the disclosure would be a harm, which is a good sign that the practice is a harm. The conditions are not a compromise. They are the point at which the material stops being a way of overriding someone's will and starts being a way of organising your own.

The question to ask first

Before anything else, ask yourself whether you would be willing to show the other person the notebook. Not the aim, not the sigil, the notebook, with the dates and the interpretation and the fortnight of notes. If the answer is no, you already have the answer to the question you were about to ask, and the evening is better spent on the record than on the charge. This is a test that takes thirty seconds and it works in a way that arguments do not, because it is about a specific artefact rather than about a position.

If the answer is yes, then the practice is defensible on the grounds given above, provided you also keep the aim checkable and the target non-human. And if the answer is yes, the practice is worth doing for a reason that has nothing to do with the target at all, which is that sustained, honest, dated attention to your own intentions is one of the more reliable ways there are of finding out what you actually want. The target should be your own position on the matter. It is the one you have the standing to work on, and it is the one where the consent objection does not apply because there is no second party whose will is being overridden.

Frequently Asked Questions

Why is the aim in love magic considered untestable?

Because the aim is another person's behaviour, and behaviour has many causes. If the person changes you cannot attribute it to the working, and if the person does not change you cannot tell whether the working failed, the timing was wrong, the person was always undecided, or the person was simply indifferent. There is no observation available to you that would settle the question, which means there is no observation that could tell you what to do differently. A practice with no possible disappointment cannot be refined, and the confidence practitioners develop in this area is a sign of that rather than a sign of success.

Is reconciliation magic safer than attraction magic?

It is generally held to be lower risk, and the reason is a real structural difference: the aim is the resumption of a prior state rather than the creation of a new disposition, and the other person participated in that state. But narrower is not the same as consensual. Where the prior relationship involved harm, the structure of the aim is identical to the structure of an unwanted advance, because in both cases you are using your will to produce a behaviour the other person has not chosen. The prior history is not a defence and it should not be treated as one.

What is cascading and should I worry about it?

It is the term used in this literature for escalation in the operator when a working on the same target is repeated: a larger aim, a longer text, more frequent repetitions, and a willingness to escalate further after an unproductive round. It is worth worrying about because it is observable and because the description holds whether or not the metaphysics does. You can watch for it in yourself without settling any question about what the practice does to anyone else, and recognising the pattern as it is happening is far easier than recognising it afterwards.

What would make this kind of practice defensible?

Five conditions, and they are cumulative rather than alternatives. Aim at a situation rather than a person. State the aim in terms that could disappoint you, which means excluding the interpretation of another person's behaviour. Open the record before the charge rather than after. Write a stopping condition in advance. And be willing to show the notebook to the person involved, dates and interpretation included. That last one does the most work, because the discomfort it produces is itself information about whether the practice is a harm.

What is the first question to ask before doing any of this?

Whether you would be willing to show the other person the notebook. Not the aim and not the glyph, the notebook with the dates and the fortnight of notes. It takes thirty seconds and it is about a specific artefact rather than about a position, which is why it works when arguments do not. If the answer is no, you already have your answer. If the answer is yes, the practice is defensible under the other conditions, and it is also worth doing for a reason that has nothing to do with the target: dated, honest attention to your own intentions is one of the more reliable ways of finding out what you actually want.

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